Hi, I have noticed lots of requests on this subject so to try and help anybody just starting I am posting this as an outline of what you can expect for the budget you have got. (Please don't give me hassle over the prices for a couple of quid here and there, this is just a general outline as I see it at the mo) Budget Sat boxes. Buy a box, buy a line and any broadband package, plus an existing sat dish. Budget boxes such as the openbox V8s, costs approx £40. single tuner box, EPG (program guide is ok but basic) You can add an external HDD to record but it has problems with the clock loosing time so you might miss the end of your program, unless you add an extra few minutes on when programming.lol If you not bothered about recording and just want to view then it's fine, you will have to update your channel lists (it can be done manually via a USB stick, 5 min job, or downloaded direct to the box over the net) to keep it running, maybe about once a month or a bit more regular if things get moved around. E2 Single Tuner Sat Boxes Still on single tuners, but now we have moved on to E2 type boxes, these have a better EPG approx £80 - 100 such as the Miraclebox micro, Edision OS,Mutant HD1200, VU+Zero these are a bit more fiddly to set up, but once they are done no more channel list updates or EPG updates as they update themselves over night. Single tuners basically lock themselves to the program while recording is taking place, E2 boxes are easy to set up for recording. E2 Twin Sat Tuners If you want more flexibility when recording then you need a twin tuner, watch one program and record another, E2 boxes again so good EPG, I would go with something like the XTrend, Miraclebox, Edision OS, Technomate, Gigablue, VU+ range, in no specific order, flashed with OpenViX about £99 - 150 plus you will need an external USB HDD approx £30. The boxes mentioned are officially supported by Vix so they can be updated over the internet direct to the box, which is very handy. Also you get a 2 yr guarantee with an officially supported box. ZGemma 2S, H.2S, (H5.2S newer model £94) twin sat tuner, officially supported by OpenATV. Similar to the above twin tuners, but now only slightly cheaper, there used to be quite a big price gap when they where first introduced but there is not much difference with the OpenViX boxes these days. These boxes are popular, users tend to flash them with a "build" which makes setting up a bit easier. There are plenty of builds on the forum. The Zgemma section is also the busiest section of the forum with people posting various problems ROFL Don't just take my word for it, decide for yourself, have a look at the main board on the forum for a couple of days, sorry Zgemma fans I can't take this out as it's still true. lol Single Tuner Cable Boxes Buy a box, buy a line, and VM broadband package is needed Similar to single tuner sat boxes, Edision OS Mini is about £80, Miraclebox Mini about £90 E2 boxes, so no messing with channel lists and they have good EPG's. HD channels with cable, yes glorious HD !!! yeehaa Combo Boxes Buy a box, buy a sat line, buy a cable line, use an existing sat dish and VM internet. These have a cable tuner and a sat tuner so basically a twin tuner, HD on the cable side, record one channel and view another on sat or cable or vise versa. Approx £99 - 200 plus HDD. Gigablue, Mutant, Edision OS, XTrend, VU+,Miraclebox,Technomate, etc, Zgemma H2,H.2H,(H5 newer mode £98) E2 combo, see comments on Zgemma 2S ,H2S and H5.2S lol Messing with the Big Boys Gigablue, Mutant, XTrend, VU+,Miraclebox,Technomate, etc, These boxes come with switchable tuners, 2,3,4 Any combination of sat or cable tuners, they have faster processors and can take internal Hdd's as opposed to external, they can go up to about £350 plus the HDD. Oh ! You can request recommendations for a sat line in the general sat section, there is a similar thread for cable in the general cable section Please read the advisory on the first page before requesting I hope that this will help any newbies starting out to sift through the the info quicker, there are plenty of other boxes out there but I have just tried to narrow down the field a bit. Finally, don't buy a box nobody has ever heard of, if you get stuck you may be on your own, all boxes mentioned above have plenty of support on the forum, good luck, there is plenty of help about if you take the plunge !!!