No I know, I was just having a sly dig at people who are obsessed with refusing to believe a provider is at fault and insist the fault is with your own setup. Weird how the £40 a year service outperforms the £15 a month ones. Anyway, I'm happy, the wife and kids are happy so all is well. Less than £11 a month for full Sky UK....can't complain at that. I hold no grudge against the sellers I have used, I tried the service, it wasn't for me, I move on. Anything I say is all just banter anyway, I'm not here to have a moan at people, what's the point.....life is too short.