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What's wrong with England Euros

loncell

loncell

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After watching another drab performance from England against Denmark I was trying to figure out what's so badly wrong and why.

Is it Trent in midfield or Bellingham too deep?. Is it Foden out wide or Stones not driving out from the back like he does at City ?. Is it Saka looking like he couldn't go past my Grandma or Rice who didn't even look L2 level ?.

These are players who play week in week out at the highest level and have done from schoolboy level so what's wrong ?, why are we so bad when top players are all brought together?, well for me it's a mindset disease created by the senior players of acceptance and the post match interviews proved my concerns correct.

Those post match interviews said it all from Walker abd Kane and the manager as well. The way the accepted not just the result but the performance this to me spoke volumes of their mindset.

They will not accept they played bad or accept they need to massively improve to win the tournament they prefer the "We'll get better" comment.

This "Always looks on the bright side of life" attitude stems from a manager who's already been down the road of international defeat as both a player and a manager and the "Dust yourself down let's move on were top of the group, chin up chaps" just about says it all.

I'm not a lover of Lineaker but what he said and Shearer as well after the game was 100% correct regarding the whole attitude of the players but mainly to do with Kane. I've not seen both pundits so animated over Kane and the criticism was well over due.

Kane should retire after this tournament. His performance last night and not for the first time was a shocker. Now you can say well he scored but he also tried a 40 yard crossfield ball that lead to Denmark's goal.

He spent more time defending the edge of our box than attacking chasing down and theres a reason for this, he's seen to be doing.

if he stands on the half way line he couldn't beat me and he'd have to chase lost causes something he can no longer do now that father time has finally caught up with him.

Bellingham?, he's burned out he needs a holiday. At the backend of last season's La Liga he was average and even in the CL final he wasn't with it, the signs were there March April and he desperately needs a rest because against Serbia & Denmark it was clear for all to see.

Trent In the middle?, that's a Southgate attempt at doing the rabbit out the hat trying to replicate an Alex Ferguson moment were, you try something different and if it works you sit back wait for all the accolades while they say wow I would have never done that he's a genius, but sadly Southgate stab in the dark master plan has now sadly failed twice.

But back to it, those younger lads in the England setup they are been lead and brainwashed by a couple of senior players and a manager who are telling that last night was ok it's tournament football so don't worry when really the alarm bells are ringing like a Cathedral.
Then at a time in the game were we needed that injection of pace or a bit of flair/magic we bring on Gallagher and then Bowen both decent in there own rights but England quality ? sorry but no. And all the while Gordon and Palmer remained sat on their hands clearly frustrated.

Southgate Kane and Walker and even Trippier (been shocking for Newcastle) gladly accepted the performance against Denmark and even Serbia.Walkers comment of "Teams just don't blow other teams away in international tournaments anymore" was arse talk totally forgetting Germany 5 Scotland 1 .

As for Kane? do us a favour, hang your international boots up pal it's over for you the legs have gone m8. I'm sure he will after these Euros as I cannot see him travelling to the other side of the planet on a weds night against so lower 3rd world country in a WC qualifier.
Those players who played last night showed nothing, no energy, lack of belief lead by senior players who are clearly past there sell by dates. You cannot look up to a captain and senior players when their performances are so sh*t i know I'd be bordering on you need shape up rather than telling us to.

One final comment, Pickford, personally I don't think he's good enough. His body language the way he blames and points the finger plus for me Pickford is too small.

Had there been a taller keeper he tips that round the post. Then a m8 said last night, that's bollucks look at Shilton he was same height

To which I replied
And he cost us a World Cup Final with semi final looper, taller keeper tips that over.

I bet you Utd fans out there are elated Hags stopping, imagine that style of play at Utd with Southgate in charge?
 
Spot on in most things , starting from picking a totally unbalanced squad , no left side, and unfit players. Blaming he hasn't got a Philips replacement just highlights he has no plan on how to get the best if these players.
Those Senior players comments I agree will brainwash some and they'll be making the same comments to the youngsters in years to come. They'll never achieve anything.

Pickford has had a few jittery moments but shouldn't be getting be a shot off unchallenged from that distance, plus his replacements , well there are none
 
England need a manger like kloop Who plays high tempo football . Not a manger who sits back when the team score and then get caught
out .If the players are not preforming take them
off and change the formation .I would give Ivan
Tonny a chance attack more from the flanks
Englands defenders are good enough to defend
one on one
 
It's the same as every England team and the reason why they have never won anything since 66. They are a team of fantastic individuals, but they aren't a team. They all play differently at their clubs and are successful at their teams, for example walker and stones play possession based football to then get told to defend against lesser opposition with england will feel very foreign. England also have never had a world class manager like pep or klopp who know how to get those players to gel together and buy into one philosophy
 
I don't know which team Gallagher plays for but yesterday he played like it was the first time he'd put football boots on, he looked lost.
Saka may as well have stayed at home, Rice too. There must be better players we can utilise. I'd wager that I could pick a squad from lower league English clubs that would run rings around this shower.
They all look fantastic during domestic games because they're surrounded by Brazilians, Portuguese and other foreign superstars. Take them out of that scenario and into a team of other mediocre English players and the result is what we witnessed yesterday, and the debacle against Iceland.

If we manage to escape the group stage, England will be packing their suitcases prior to the first match...imagine that lot against Spain, France, Belgium etc? It's going to be embarrassing, 6-0 at least
 
I agree with pretty much everything everyone has said. Ultimately I just don't think Southgate can manage at this level. Both games they have looked completely different after they score. They let the opposition play, which is madness. He needs to sort the starting XI out. I get these players are top players for their clubs, but you have to have a team with better balance. Trent in midfield is crazy. I feel sorry for Declan Rice.

For me it's ALL Southgate, tactics and team selection is not right. He's not brave enough to drop big names to give the team better balance. He's trying to play the best players, but playing them out of position and it ain't working.
 
The thing is England will look better against the likes of france because they can play on the counter. With teams like Denmark and Serbia they let them play and frustrated England and made them feel like they were running out of ideas. It's easy to blame the manager, but these are world class players who have won the top prizes in football, sometimes they need to take accountability and demand more from themselves rather than wait to be instructed to do so
 
The players are all over hyped,the media set this agenda at every major tournament and that leads to pre tournament hysteria that England are going to win the tournament.
This has happened at every major tournament that I can remember and then when the inevitable happens the press start baying for blood,England have good players and are a decent team but they are nowhere near the best teams in World football..history has shown us that time and time again..getting to the semi finals in this tournament should be classed as a successful tournament and realistically that should be applauded if they reach that far
 
trainspotter said:
The players are all over hyped,the media set this agenda at every major tournament and that leads to pre tournament hysteria that England are going to win the tournament.
This has happened at every major tournament that I can remember and then when the inevitable happens the press start baying for blood,England have good players and are a decent team but they are nowhere near the best teams in World football..history has shown us that time and time again..getting to the semi finals in this tournament should be classed as a successful tournament and realistically that should be applauded if they reach that far
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A spot on analysis - I've thought this for years ; I blame the Bookies telling us we are favourites....
 
I also agree with most of what has been said, the Bookies always do the same, just in case we do win one day, i'm nearly 70 so have seen a lot of tournaments, i say and hear the same nearly every time, there is always a lack of technique and quality on the ball and off it, even the
Serbs had more technique the we did, after all i have seen we may have to accept that were just not good enough.
 
I don't watch as much footy as you guys but none of the major nations have looked like world beaters so far. I think team chemistry is very important, the major nations rely on their skill and don't take the friendlies seriously. I know Southgate is getting a lot of stick from the pundits and his brand of football isn't pleasing to the eye but it'll still get past the group stages and the knockout stage is where the money is earned.
 
Being Scottish, I look at our national team and shake my head. We don't have any real quality in any position, Billy Gilmour arguably out best player on the ball and he didn't even start the Germany game! My first World Cup was Mexico 1986 and it's been the same story, even back then when we had better players.

For English fans I sense the frustration. The quality of the individual players is top European level, but somehow the team always fail to deliver. It has also been like this for as long as I can remember.
 
thebesh said:
Ultimately I just don't think Southgate can manage at this level.
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I'm not a fan of Southgate but I think that's a bit harsh. He got the team to a European Final penalty shootout and Sancho, Rashford and Saka, three players who are very good penalty takers missed meaning England lost . Southgate can't do a lot about that and deserves credit for getting the team within a whisker of a trophy - closer than every England manager before him bar one.
 
When he first arrived, it was like a fresh breath of air , but then again he was following Big Sam and Roy, so it wouldn't take much. But he wasn't fazzed and we actually attacked teams. However similar to all England teams he has regressed and got more scared to take it to teams . Bottled many games trying to hang on to 1-0 Euro final a prime example. I'd say we were unlucky against France , Kane scores that pen and I think we beat them. But we have definitely gone backwards and with a better team than in 2018, 2021. His excuses are laughable.
 
pupuqiop said:
I'm not a fan of Southgate but I think that's a bit harsh. He got the team to a European Final penalty shootout and Sancho, Rashford and Saka, three players who are very good penalty takers missed meaning England lost . Southgate can't do a lot about that and deserves credit for getting the team within a whisker of a trophy - closer than every England manager before him bar one.
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But we only got to those positioned out of luck of the draw. Rather than merit. I cant recall us actually beating a world class team to get there (i may stand corrected) we had a bunch of minnows, luck and possibly a weakened opponent. I would suggest Southgate hasnt maximised and took the opportunity.

I missed the interview the other day, but i heard he alledgely said we havent been able to replace Kalvin phillips for 2 years? Wow just goes to show his kindset, what impression does that give the players there, trying to get a game - Manoo / Palmer etc.

We probably have the best team we have had for years, world class playerz, players who can run in behind and stretch teams, but Southgate is so blind to it even Stevie Wonder can see the problems!
 
pupuqiop said:
I'm not a fan of Southgate but I think that's a bit harsh. He got the team to a European Final penalty shootout and Sancho, Rashford and Saka, three players who are very good penalty takers missed meaning England lost . Southgate can't do a lot about that and deserves credit for getting the team within a whisker of a trophy - closer than every England manager before him bar one.
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Rory Jennings spits out a lot of stats/facts about Gareths managerial tenure that don't sound great..
 
weimaraner95 said:
When he first arrived, it was like a fresh breath of air , but then again he was following Big Sam and Roy, so it wouldn't take much.
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Allardyce signed a two-year contract to become manager of the England national team. He won his first and only game in charge on 4 September, as an Adam Lallana goal deep into injury-time was enough to beat Slovakia on the opening day of qualification for the 2018 FIFA World Cup.Following allegations of malpractice, Allardyce left the role by mutual consent on 27 September, having managed the team for just 67 days and one match
 
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