Ok so an update, when I set the preferred tuner to my multi sat dish, the motor is moving without any problems, and when I set it back to Auto its still moving, but it seems I will have to set the tuner first to get it to move otherwise it trys to move the fixed dish on the other tuner, but major progress made, happy enough with the way it is now, just need to set up the hdd device and get the line on and hopefully thats it done, just one other thing, if I copy sats to bouquets, they copy ,but then after a few minutes some of them change to N/A, its not a big problem as they are still on the sat listing, but if its possible to fix then I would like to do it, tinkering about with it at the minute, a big thanks to linesman66 and Siilver for their input, thank-you both.